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0000668Cinelerra-GGBugpublic2025-01-05 14:102025-01-25 18:19
ReporterNafnlaus Assigned ToPhyllisSmith  
PriorityurgentSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
Product Version2020-08 
Summary0000668: Random audio pops make using Cinelerra-GG for mastering a maddening task (0000002)
DescriptionProbably relates to: https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=667
Version: CinGG-20241031-x86_64.AppImage (Fedora 41)

This is possibly the same bug as the last one, only more egregious (though as it's more egregious, it was thankfully easier to track down and isolate). One track (no_vocals.flac) plays. It has two neutral equalizers. The second track (vocals_new.wav) *is muted* and should have zero impact; it shares one equalizer with the first track. Yet when the second (muted) track begins, there is a pop. If you do anything - shut off either or both equalizers, or disable play for the muted track, or outright delete it - the pop goes away.

Two rendered examples are also included in the .xml file, one with the bug and one without the bug.

Note that unlike the last bug, this one doesn't need to be rendered to appear - it occurs even when just playing the track in Cinelerra.

Like with the last bug, since your maximum upload size is a mere 4,77MB, tracks are split and need to be catted back together to be recombined.
Steps To ReproduceSee above.
Additional InformationNone
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Attached Files
altman_withbug.wav (624,792 bytes)   
altman_withbug.wav (624,792 bytes)   
altman_withoutbug.wav (624,792 bytes)   
altman_withoutbug.wav (624,792 bytes)   
altman_bug.xml (12,507 bytes)    
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<EDL VERSION=Infinity PATH=/home/meme/Plata/scratch/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/altman_bug.xml>
<LOCALSESSION IN_POINT=0 LOOP_PLAYBACK=0 LOOP_START=0 LOOP_END=0 OUT_POINT=3.5416666666666665e+00 SELECTION_START=0 SELECTION_END=0 CLIP_TITLE=/home/meme/Plata/scratch/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/altman_bug.xml CLIP_ICON="" X_PANE=-1 Y_PANE=-1 TRACK_START0=0 VIEW_START0=0 TRACK_START1=0 VIEW_START1=0 TRACK_START2=0 VIEW_START2=0 TRACK_START3=0 VIEW_START3=0 ZOOM_SAMPLE=128 ZOOMY=128 ZOOM_ATRACK=64 ZOOM_VTRACK=256 PREVIEW_START=0 PREVIEW_END=-1 FLOATAUTO_TYPE=0 RED=0 GREEN=0 BLUE=0 RED_MAX=0 GREEN_MAX=0 BLUE_MAX=0 USE_MAX=0 GANG_TRACKS=0 AUTOGROUPTYPE_AUDIO_FADE_MIN=-80 AUTOGROUPTYPE_AUDIO_FADE_MAX=20 AUTOGROUPTYPE_VIDEO_FADE_MIN=0 AUTOGROUPTYPE_VIDEO_FADE_MAX=100 AUTOGROUPTYPE_ZOOM_MIN=4.000000e-01 AUTOGROUPTYPE_ZOOM_MAX=25 AUTOGROUPTYPE_SPEED_MIN=5.000000e-03 AUTOGROUPTYPE_SPEED_MAX=5 AUTOGROUPTYPE_X_MIN=-400 AUTOGROUPTYPE_X_MAX=400 AUTOGROUPTYPE_Y_MIN=-500 AUTOGROUPTYPE_Y_MAX=500>
<CLIP_NOTES>Sun Jan  5 12:51:54 2025
</CLIP_NOTES>
</LOCALSESSION>

<SESSION ASSETLIST_FORMAT=1 ASSET_COLUMN0=100 ASSET_COLUMN1=100 SHOW_MUTE=1 SHOW_CAMERA_X=1 SHOW_CAMERA_Y=1 SHOW_CAMERA_Z=1 SHOW_PROJECTOR_X=0 SHOW_PROJECTOR_Y=0 SHOW_PROJECTOR_Z=0 SHOW_FADE=1 SHOW_PAN=1 SHOW_MODE=0 SHOW_MASK=0 SHOW_SPEED=0 SHOW_TRANSITIONS=1 SHOW_PLUGINS=1 SHOW_HARD_EDGES=1 AUTO_KEYFRAMES=1 SPAN_KEYFRAMES=0 AUTOS_FOLLOW_EDITS=1 BRENDER_START=0 BRENDER_END=0 EYEDROP_RADIUS=0 CROP_X1=0 CROP_Y1=0 CROP_X2=320 CROP_Y2=240 RULER_X1=0 RULER_Y1=0 RULER_X2=0 RULER_Y2=0 AWINDOW_FOLDER=6 CURSOR_ON_FRAMES=1 TYPELESS_KEYFRAMES=0 CWINDOW_DEST=0 CWINDOW_MASK=0 CWINDOW_METER=0 CWINDOW_OPERATION=4 CWINDOW_SCROLLBARS=0 CWINDOW_XSCROLL=0 CWINDOW_YSCROLL=-64 CWINDOW_ZOOM=0 CWINDOW_CLICK2PLAY=0 CWINDOW_CLEAR_COLOR=0 EDITING_MODE=1 FOLDERLIST_FORMAT=0 HIGHLIGHTED_TRACK=7 LABELS_FOLLOW_EDITS=1 PLUGINS_FOLLOW_EDITS=1 SINGLE_STANDALONE=1 PLAYBACK_PRELOAD=0 SAFE_REGIONS=0 SHOW_ASSETS=1 SHOW_TITLES=0 TEST_PLAYBACK_EDITS=1 TIME_FORMAT=1 TIMECODE_OFFSET=0 NUDGE_FORMAT=1 TOOL_WINDOW=0 VWINDOW_METER=0 VWINDOW_ZOOM=1 VWINDOW_CLICK2PLAY=0 DECODE_SUBTITLES=0 SUBTITLE_NUMBER=0 PROXY_BEEP=0 RENDER_BEEP=0></SESSION>

<VIDEO INTERPOLATION_TYPE=1 INTERPOLATE_RAW=1 WHITE_BALANCE_RAW=1 COLORMODEL="RGBA-8 Bit" INTERLACE_MODE=UNKNOWN CHANNELS=1 VCHANNEL_X_0=0 VCHANNEL_Y_0=0 FRAMERATE=24 FRAMES_PER_FOOT=16 OUTPUTW=2880 OUTPUTH=1620 ASPECTW=16 ASPECTH=9 PROXY_STATE=0 PROXY_SCALE=1 PROXY_DISABLED_SCALE=1 PROXY_USE_SCALER=0 PROXY_AUTO_SCALE=0></VIDEO>

<AUDIO SAMPLERATE=44100 CHANNELS=2 ACHANNEL_ANGLE_0=180 ACHANNEL_ANGLE_1=0></AUDIO>

<FOLDERS>
</FOLDERS>
<ASSETS>
<ASSET SRC=/scratch/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/separated/htdemucs/altman/no_vocals.flac>
<FOLDER NUMBER=6></FOLDER>
<FORMAT TYPE=FFMPEG USE_HEADER=1 FFORMAT=mp4 FF_FORMAT_OPTIONS=""></FORMAT>
<AUDIO CHANNELS=2 RATE=44100 BITS=0 BYTE_ORDER=0 SIGNED=0 HEADER=0 DITHER=0 ACODEC=flac AUDIO_LENGTH=15102663></AUDIO>
<VIDEO_OMIT ACTUAL_HEIGHT=0 ACTUAL_WIDTH=0 HEIGHT=0 WIDTH=0 PROXY_SCALE=0 PROXY_EDL=0 LAYERS=0 PROGRAM=-1 FRAMERATE=0 VIDEO_LENGTH=0 TIMECODE=-2 MOV_SPHERE=0 JPEG_SPHERE=0 SINGLE_FRAME=0 INTERLACE_MODE=UNKNOWN></VIDEO_OMIT>
</ASSET>
<ASSET SRC=/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/vocals_new.wav>
<FOLDER NUMBER=6></FOLDER>
<FORMAT TYPE=FFMPEG USE_HEADER=1 FFORMAT=mp4 FF_FORMAT_OPTIONS=""></FORMAT>
<AUDIO CHANNELS=2 RATE=44100 BITS=0 BYTE_ORDER=0 SIGNED=0 HEADER=0 DITHER=0 ACODEC=pcm_s16le AUDIO_LENGTH=5782156></AUDIO>
<VIDEO_OMIT ACTUAL_HEIGHT=0 ACTUAL_WIDTH=0 HEIGHT=0 WIDTH=0 PROXY_SCALE=0 PROXY_EDL=0 LAYERS=0 PROGRAM=-1 FRAMERATE=0 VIDEO_LENGTH=0 TIMECODE=-2 MOV_SPHERE=0 JPEG_SPHERE=0 SINGLE_FRAME=0 INTERLACE_MODE=UNKNOWN></VIDEO_OMIT>
</ASSET>
<ASSET SRC=altman_withbug.wav>
<FOLDER NUMBER=6></FOLDER>
<FORMAT TYPE="Microsoft WAV" USE_HEADER=1 FFORMAT=mp4 FF_FORMAT_OPTIONS=""></FORMAT>
<AUDIO CHANNELS=2 RATE=44100 BITS=16 BYTE_ORDER=1 SIGNED=1 HEADER=0 DITHER=0 ACODEC=h264.mp4 AUDIO_LENGTH=156187></AUDIO>
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</ASSET>
<ASSET SRC=altman_withoutbug.wav>
<FOLDER NUMBER=6></FOLDER>
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<AUDIO CHANNELS=2 RATE=44100 BITS=16 BYTE_ORDER=1 SIGNED=1 HEADER=0 DITHER=0 ACODEC=h264.mp4 AUDIO_LENGTH=156187></AUDIO>
<VIDEO_OMIT ACTUAL_HEIGHT=0 ACTUAL_WIDTH=0 HEIGHT=0 WIDTH=0 PROXY_SCALE=0 PROXY_EDL=0 LAYERS=0 PROGRAM=-1 FRAMERATE=24 VCODEC=mp4.qt VIDEO_LENGTH=85 TIMECODE=-2 MOV_SPHERE=0 JPEG_SPHERE=0 SINGLE_FRAME=0 INTERLACE_MODE=UNKNOWN></VIDEO_OMIT>
</ASSET>
</ASSETS>

<MIXERS>
</MIXERS>


<LABELS>
</LABELS>

<TRACK RECORD=0 NUDGE=0 MIXER_ID=-1 PLAY=1 GANG=1 MASTER=1 DRAW=1 EXPAND=1 DATA_H=64 TRACK_W=2880 TRACK_H=1620 MASKS=255 TYPE=AUDIO>

<TITLE>Audio 1s</TITLE>
<EDITS>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=2061677 CHANNEL=0 LENGTH=156187 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0><FILE SRC=/scratch/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/separated/htdemucs/altman/no_vocals.flac></FILE></EDIT>
</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=0 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=1 VALUE1=0></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
<PLUGINSET RECORD=1>
<PLUGIN LENGTH=156187 TYPE=1 TITLE="EQ Graphic">
<IN></IN><OUT></OUT><ON></ON>
<KEYFRAME POSITION=0 DEFAULT=1><GRAPHICEQ WINDOW_SIZE=4096 W=640 H=480></GRAPHICEQ>
<POINT X=0 Y=-7.2815533980582520e-02></POINT>
<POINT X=23407 Y=-1.4563106796116504e-01></POINT>
</KEYFRAME>
</PLUGIN>
</PLUGINSET>
<PLUGINSET RECORD=1>
<PLUGIN LENGTH=156187 TYPE=1 TITLE="EQ Graphic">
<IN></IN><OUT></OUT><ON></ON>
<KEYFRAME POSITION=0 DEFAULT=1><GRAPHICEQ WINDOW_SIZE=4096 W=1297 H=480></GRAPHICEQ>
<POINT X=43 Y=-1.0121359223300971e+01></POINT>
<POINT X=75 Y=4></POINT>
</KEYFRAME>
</PLUGIN>
</PLUGINSET>
</TRACK>



<TRACK RECORD=0 NUDGE=0 MIXER_ID=-1 PLAY=1 GANG=1 MASTER=0 DRAW=1 EXPAND=1 DATA_H=64 TRACK_W=2880 TRACK_H=1620 MASKS=255 TYPE=AUDIO>

<TITLE>Audio 2</TITLE>
<EDITS>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=2061677 CHANNEL=1 LENGTH=156187 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0><FILE SRC=/scratch/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/separated/htdemucs/altman/no_vocals.flac></FILE></EDIT>
</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=100 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=0 VALUE1=1></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
<PLUGINSET RECORD=1>
<PLUGIN LENGTH=156187 TYPE=2 TITLE="EQ Graphic">
<SHARED_LOCATION SHARED_MODULE=0 SHARED_PLUGIN=0></SHARED_LOCATION>
<IN></IN><OUT></OUT><ON></ON>
<KEYFRAME POSITION=0 DEFAULT=1></KEYFRAME>
</PLUGIN>
</PLUGINSET>
<PLUGINSET RECORD=1>
<PLUGIN LENGTH=156187 TYPE=2 TITLE="EQ Graphic">
<SHARED_LOCATION SHARED_MODULE=0 SHARED_PLUGIN=1></SHARED_LOCATION>
<IN></IN><OUT></OUT><ON></ON>
<KEYFRAME POSITION=0 DEFAULT=1></KEYFRAME>
</PLUGIN>
</PLUGINSET>
</TRACK>



<TRACK RECORD=0 NUDGE=0 MIXER_ID=-1 PLAY=1 GANG=1 MASTER=1 DRAW=1 EXPAND=1 DATA_H=64 TRACK_W=2880 TRACK_H=1620 MASKS=255 TYPE=AUDIO>

<TITLE>Audio 17</TITLE>
<EDITS>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=3022689 CHANNEL=0 LENGTH=84523 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0></EDIT>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=121275 CHANNEL=0 LENGTH=71664 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0><FILE SRC=/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/vocals_new.wav></FILE></EDIT>
</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=0 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=1 VALUE1=0></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
<PLUGINSET RECORD=1>
<PLUGIN LENGTH=156187 TYPE=2 TITLE="EQ Graphic">
<SHARED_LOCATION SHARED_MODULE=0 SHARED_PLUGIN=1></SHARED_LOCATION>
<IN></IN><OUT></OUT><ON></ON>
<KEYFRAME POSITION=0 DEFAULT=1></KEYFRAME>
</PLUGIN>
</PLUGINSET>
</TRACK>



<TRACK RECORD=0 NUDGE=0 MIXER_ID=-1 PLAY=1 GANG=1 MASTER=0 DRAW=1 EXPAND=1 DATA_H=64 TRACK_W=2880 TRACK_H=1620 MASKS=255 TYPE=AUDIO>

<TITLE>Audio 18</TITLE>
<EDITS>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=3022689 CHANNEL=0 LENGTH=84523 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0></EDIT>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=121275 CHANNEL=1 LENGTH=71664 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0><FILE SRC=/Media/Tónlist/Mín/altman/vocals_new.wav></FILE></EDIT>
</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=100 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=0 VALUE1=1></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
<PLUGINSET RECORD=1>
<PLUGIN LENGTH=156187 TYPE=2 TITLE="EQ Graphic">
<SHARED_LOCATION SHARED_MODULE=0 SHARED_PLUGIN=1></SHARED_LOCATION>
<IN></IN><OUT></OUT><ON></ON>
<KEYFRAME POSITION=0 DEFAULT=1></KEYFRAME>
</PLUGIN>
</PLUGINSET>
</TRACK>



<TRACK RECORD=1 NUDGE=0 MIXER_ID=-1 PLAY=0 GANG=1 MASTER=1 DRAW=1 EXPAND=1 DATA_H=64 TRACK_W=2880 TRACK_H=1620 MASKS=255 TYPE=AUDIO>

<TITLE>BUG: EQ enabled</TITLE>
<EDITS>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=0 CHANNEL=0 LENGTH=156187 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0><FILE SRC=altman_withbug.wav></FILE></EDIT>
</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=0 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=1 VALUE1=0></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
</TRACK>



<TRACK RECORD=1 NUDGE=0 MIXER_ID=-1 PLAY=0 GANG=1 MASTER=0 DRAW=1 EXPAND=1 DATA_H=64 TRACK_W=2880 TRACK_H=1620 MASKS=255 TYPE=AUDIO>

<TITLE>BUG: EQ enabled</TITLE>
<EDITS>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=0 CHANNEL=1 LENGTH=156187 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0><FILE SRC=altman_withbug.wav></FILE></EDIT>
</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=100 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=0 VALUE1=1></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
</TRACK>



<TRACK RECORD=0 NUDGE=0 MIXER_ID=-1 PLAY=0 GANG=1 MASTER=1 DRAW=1 EXPAND=1 DATA_H=64 TRACK_W=2880 TRACK_H=1620 MASKS=255 TYPE=AUDIO>

<TITLE>NO BUG: EQ disabled</TITLE>
<EDITS>
<EDIT STARTSOURCE=0 CHANNEL=0 LENGTH=156187 HARD_LEFT=0 HARD_RIGHT=0 COLOR=0 GROUP_ID=0><FILE SRC=altman_withoutbug.wav></FILE></EDIT>
</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=0 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=1 VALUE1=0></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
</TRACK>



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<TITLE>NO BUG: EQ disabled</TITLE>
<EDITS>
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</EDITS>
<MUTEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0></AUTO>
</MUTEAUTOS>
<FADEAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=0 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</FADEAUTOS>
<PANAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 HANDLE_X=100 HANDLE_Y=50 VALUE0=0 VALUE1=1></AUTO></PANAUTOS>
<SPEEDAUTOS>
<AUTO POSITION=0 VALUE=1 VALUE1=0 CONTROL_IN_VALUE=0 CONTROL_OUT_VALUE=0 TANGENT_MODE=3></AUTO>
</SPEEDAUTOS>
</TRACK>



</EDL>
altman_bug.xml (12,507 bytes)   
no_vocals.flac.pt1 (4,608,000 bytes)   
no_vocals.flac.pt1 (4,608,000 bytes)   
no_vocals.flac.pt2 (4,608,000 bytes)
no_vocals.flac.pt3 (4,608,000 bytes)
no_vocals.flac.pt4 (4,608,000 bytes)
no_vocals.flac.pt5 (4,608,000 bytes)
no_vocals.flac.pt6 (4,608,000 bytes)
no_vocals.flac.pt7 (738,410 bytes)
vocals_new.flac.pt5 (4,696,706 bytes)
vocals_new.flac.pt4 (4,608,000 bytes)
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Activities

Andrew-R

2025-01-06 23:13

reporter   ~0005733

@Nafnlaus, does bug apper at another project samplerates?
I think files will be smaller if it occur all way down to 8khz or so.

Also, does bug occur if you change decoder preference away from ffmpeg first?

Nafnlaus

2025-01-25 13:55

reporter   ~0005745

@Andrew-R Oh, sorry - I was just checking up these bugs, and I noticed that you replied weeks ago; I never saw the notification!

The bug not only appears at other sample rates, but the pop becomes more prominent at e.g. 48k than 44,1k.

I don't know what you mean by "change decoder preference". Are you talking about rendering? This bug (unlike the other one) occurs even during playback within the app, not just during rendering.

Andrew-R

2025-01-25 14:07

reporter   ~0005746

@Nafnlaus

by decoder preferences I mean big FFmpeg button in main window.
You can click it and Cingg will try to use built-in (old) flac decoder instead of ffmpeg's one.


Can you retry with simple artifically generated sine wave? I hope we can guess what going on by looking at how deformed this simpke waveform become.

Nafnlaus

2025-01-25 15:38

reporter   ~0005747

There is no big FFMpeg button in the main window, but I did find what you were referring to (a tiny button in the upper right of green, white and black diagonal lines). No impact.

I did try replacing no_vocals with the output of:

sox -n -r 44100 -c 2 sine.flac synth 480 sine 440 sine 445 vol 0.2

The pop persists, but it doesn't make the pop more visible. The easiest way to see the pop is on a spectrogram, such as from Audacity, but there's no option in Cinelerra for that.

PhyllisSmith

2025-01-25 18:10

manager   ~0005748

Last edited: 2025-01-25 18:19

 @Nafnlaus
@Andrew-R
There is a native audio filter called Spectrogram in CinGG, but it has a lot of variables so I do not know how to use it.
The FFmpeg showspectrum and showspectrumpic have been commented out in CinGG due to input/output error. I will see if I can find variables that make them work (the problem may be that it requires a file name to put the output on, like a png, and Cinelerra has no way to interact with that)
There is also commentary in 667, but I have tried the FFmpeg flac with the same results as the native flac for loading AND rendering.

Note to Andrew specifically -- I converted loop_contact.flac to loop_contact.wav via external ffmpeg, but have not been able to determine if bug still there by comparing the waves because the original audio wave is different (still working on this though). Actually in 667, Nafnlaus says "converting loop_concat in my main project to wav, and rendering to wav "does NOT have the problem. But if he uses the flac and renders to wav, it does have the bug.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus New Issue
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: altman_withbug.wav
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: altman_withoutbug.wav
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: altman_bug.xml
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: no_vocals.flac.pt1
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: no_vocals.flac.pt2
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: no_vocals.flac.pt3
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: no_vocals.flac.pt4
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: no_vocals.flac.pt5
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: no_vocals.flac.pt6
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: no_vocals.flac.pt7
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: vocals_new.flac.pt5
2025-01-05 14:10 Nafnlaus File Added: vocals_new.flac.pt4
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